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		<title>By: Dustin Sunshine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin Sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 05:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ xoxo


Lisa Watson, that you?</description>
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<p>Lisa Watson, that you?</p>
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		<title>By: regret</title>
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		<dc:creator>regret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 02:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I regret my too quick to reply resppnse the only thing more shameless than jhmr bashing would be the fact that rock of love will have a third season
Jhmr has been very good to me and bottom line besides hindsight etc is that slides happen and I should bever begrudge any party unjustly
Every rose has its thorn ugh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I regret my too quick to reply resppnse the only thing more shameless than jhmr bashing would be the fact that rock of love will have a third season<br />
Jhmr has been very good to me and bottom line besides hindsight etc is that slides happen and I should bever begrudge any party unjustly<br />
Every rose has its thorn ugh</p>
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		<title>By: XOXO</title>
		<link>http://www.thesnaz.com/2008/12/30/one-avalanche-after-another/comment-page-1/#comment-35274</link>
		<dc:creator>XOXO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 05:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like the other blogs, here you have a bunch of people that do not know what they are talking about throwing their 2 bit judgements everywhere. Romeo was not asked by any JHMR administrator to remove the photos, he was asked by a rescuer who was appalled by his efforts to capitalize on a tragedy. He made no journalistic effort to have accurate information. He posted pictures unethically. I hope he at least got a real pair of skis out of it.

Easy to paint JHMR as the Death Star. In fact, JHSP has been making extraordinary efforts to deal with an extremely unpredictable weak layer. If the reduction efforts have not been to your liking, feel free to head to the Pass and figure it our yourself. Jerry Blann was one of the very first rescuers on site, maybe he was a little too busy to hold a press conference for the gawkers.

If communication is your issue, keep in mind that people have been busy, and 90% of the media has never tried to contact the JHMR to get in depth info. It is no wonder they cleared JH News and Guide, they actually investigated and reported a real story instead of just spreading gossip and hard feelings amongst a stressed community. Maybe the print media still has something to offer after all.

Oh, perhaps you just want more information? Like this post the morning of the incident on the BTNF:

&quot;Rapidly warming temperatures today have greatly increased the avalanche hazard. This rapid increase in temperatures is causing large volumes of snow to release from roofs in urban areas. It has also increased the avalanche danger in the backcountry which was already HIGH. This morning avalanche hazard reduction efforts at the Jackson Hole Mountain Resort triggered an avalanche in the Headwall Area that damaged a restaurant and caught four ski patrollers. No one was harmed. Dangerous unstable conditions exist in the mountains and in urban areas. Travel in the backcountry is not recommended and extreme caution should used around buildings with large volumes of snow on their roofs...................Morning Advisory.......... Continued strong winds and dense snow with warming temperatures have created soft slabs to two feet in depth which rest over dense slabs up to six feet deep. Large, dangerous slides involving the new and old snow, will continue to be easily triggered, naturally and by backcountry travelers. On Saturday a skier died after being buried seven feet deep in the Toilet Bowl area of the Jackson Hole Mountain Resort despite rapid recovery. At low elevations warm temperatures have increased the chance of slides in steep areas like road cuts and roof tops. TRAVEL IN AVALANCHE TERRAIN IS NOT RECOMMENDED.&quot;

It is not info you want it is drama. And the bloggers have facilitated shit tons of it. Thanks for contributing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like the other blogs, here you have a bunch of people that do not know what they are talking about throwing their 2 bit judgements everywhere. Romeo was not asked by any JHMR administrator to remove the photos, he was asked by a rescuer who was appalled by his efforts to capitalize on a tragedy. He made no journalistic effort to have accurate information. He posted pictures unethically. I hope he at least got a real pair of skis out of it.</p>
<p>Easy to paint JHMR as the Death Star. In fact, JHSP has been making extraordinary efforts to deal with an extremely unpredictable weak layer. If the reduction efforts have not been to your liking, feel free to head to the Pass and figure it our yourself. Jerry Blann was one of the very first rescuers on site, maybe he was a little too busy to hold a press conference for the gawkers.</p>
<p>If communication is your issue, keep in mind that people have been busy, and 90% of the media has never tried to contact the JHMR to get in depth info. It is no wonder they cleared JH News and Guide, they actually investigated and reported a real story instead of just spreading gossip and hard feelings amongst a stressed community. Maybe the print media still has something to offer after all.</p>
<p>Oh, perhaps you just want more information? Like this post the morning of the incident on the BTNF:</p>
<p>&#8220;Rapidly warming temperatures today have greatly increased the avalanche hazard. This rapid increase in temperatures is causing large volumes of snow to release from roofs in urban areas. It has also increased the avalanche danger in the backcountry which was already HIGH. This morning avalanche hazard reduction efforts at the Jackson Hole Mountain Resort triggered an avalanche in the Headwall Area that damaged a restaurant and caught four ski patrollers. No one was harmed. Dangerous unstable conditions exist in the mountains and in urban areas. Travel in the backcountry is not recommended and extreme caution should used around buildings with large volumes of snow on their roofs&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.Morning Advisory&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. Continued strong winds and dense snow with warming temperatures have created soft slabs to two feet in depth which rest over dense slabs up to six feet deep. Large, dangerous slides involving the new and old snow, will continue to be easily triggered, naturally and by backcountry travelers. On Saturday a skier died after being buried seven feet deep in the Toilet Bowl area of the Jackson Hole Mountain Resort despite rapid recovery. At low elevations warm temperatures have increased the chance of slides in steep areas like road cuts and roof tops. TRAVEL IN AVALANCHE TERRAIN IS NOT RECOMMENDED.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is not info you want it is drama. And the bloggers have facilitated shit tons of it. Thanks for contributing.</p>
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		<title>By: dswift</title>
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		<dc:creator>dswift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why I Love jackson Hole, Reason #239: Where else would the raw adventure of avalanche survival seamlessly morph into a sophisticated short course on branding strategies?</description>
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		<title>By: ali levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>ali levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read about this and what a shock but not really.  - I mean who puts a pizza place and or a full structure in a slide path
Wasn&#039;t there talk back then that the JHMR was thought to not have consulted with enough credible engineers and that anything up there was going to be a bad idea even to the armchair observer
I mean we used to joke about what a bad idea it was but food and beverage operations are high margin and return profit centers.  The headwall was one of the best runs back in the day even before the gondola
No laughing matter rather as mentioned a slap of told you so. PAtrollers deserve a bonus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read about this and what a shock but not really.  &#8211; I mean who puts a pizza place and or a full structure in a slide path<br />
Wasn&#8217;t there talk back then that the JHMR was thought to not have consulted with enough credible engineers and that anything up there was going to be a bad idea even to the armchair observer<br />
I mean we used to joke about what a bad idea it was but food and beverage operations are high margin and return profit centers.  The headwall was one of the best runs back in the day even before the gondola<br />
No laughing matter rather as mentioned a slap of told you so. PAtrollers deserve a bonus</p>
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		<title>By: mclovin</title>
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		<dc:creator>mclovin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(a jh avy victim goes so heaven)

doorman of heaven: how did you die son?

victim: I was eating a prime rib in jhmr&#039;s new five star restaurant &#039;coulir&#039; and I choked on it when my entire body was suddenly covered by snow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(a jh avy victim goes so heaven)</p>
<p>doorman of heaven: how did you die son?</p>
<p>victim: I was eating a prime rib in jhmr&#8217;s new five star restaurant &#8216;coulir&#8217; and I choked on it when my entire body was suddenly covered by snow</p>
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		<title>By: TG</title>
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		<dc:creator>TG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>regarding photos might have a valid point about TCSAR policy, but it mis represents what happened here. JHMR and patrol were not happy that the photos were posted. The fact that the photo taker happened to be SAR gave them a convenient loophole to attempt to force their removal. 

JHMR was not pressuring for removal of the photos out of some altruistic concern that SAR&#039;s internal policies were not being followed to the letter.

Censorship and control of the spread of the images by JHMR was always the issue, minutiae of SAR policy a side show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>regarding photos might have a valid point about TCSAR policy, but it mis represents what happened here. JHMR and patrol were not happy that the photos were posted. The fact that the photo taker happened to be SAR gave them a convenient loophole to attempt to force their removal. </p>
<p>JHMR was not pressuring for removal of the photos out of some altruistic concern that SAR&#8217;s internal policies were not being followed to the letter.</p>
<p>Censorship and control of the spread of the images by JHMR was always the issue, minutiae of SAR policy a side show.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Chris. I think you just articulated a lot of people&#039;s thoughts. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Chris. I think you just articulated a lot of people&#8217;s thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hansen</title>
		<link>http://www.thesnaz.com/2008/12/30/one-avalanche-after-another/comment-page-1/#comment-35098</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Photos makes a very valid point and shows the issues are rarely black and white. I am not questioning the policies of TCSO or TCSAR, but I would ask the question in this instance, Does publishing those photographs help or harm the public, JHMR, TCSAR or any other entity involved in this incident?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Photos makes a very valid point and shows the issues are rarely black and white. I am not questioning the policies of TCSO or TCSAR, but I would ask the question in this instance, Does publishing those photographs help or harm the public, JHMR, TCSAR or any other entity involved in this incident?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, thanks to you and to Jim for addressing this issue. 

The way I see it, the actions of Jackson Hole Mountain Resort management almost always come down to two issues that seem to appear in their eyes to be opposing but really are not: money versus community relations. The resort continually falls short in community relations by putting their bottom line between them and their local guests. From environmental issues to season passes to their relations with Wyoming Travel &amp; Tourism to their handling of information during a crisis such as we have today, JHMR seems to make short-sighted decisions that only further estrange themselves from the Jackson Hole community instead of recognizing that this community is one of the most valuable assets they have.

From a Jackson Hole skier’s and backcountry user&#039;s perspective, I want as much information as I can get. Specifics about the Headwall and other inbounds slides in particular and the snowpack in general are very valuable to all of us. The resort could reap a lot of good will by sharing that information with their guests. But rather, Mr. Blann, in one of his announcements yesterday, stated that that information is provided by the BTNF Avalanche Forecast Center. However, it seems like even between the Forecast Center and JHMR there is a considerable lack of communication between two entities that inhabit essentially the same space and share some of the same personnel. (Perhaps that information is shared, but we’re not seeing the depth we could in reports from either entity.) Valuable as well are those pictures posted here and on TetonAT for the visual message they send. But to request that they be removed from TetonAT is as much a disservice to the snow sliding public as it is reinforcement of JHMR&#039;s bad PR image.

No doubt JHMR is in crisis mode. I don’t envy anyone’s position out there and I know that patrol is giving 110% right now. But the most important thing we need during a crisis is information, even if, as Mr. Geraci so astutely put it, the information you have is no information at the time. But as all of us in this field I will broadly describe as communications know, if you don&#039;t provide a story for the public, they will make one up for you. And never have I seen the public make up a story that is flattering to the squelching body. And no, to answer your question, David, neither of the releases provided yesterday answered questions I have about what happened up there. 

Sure, it&#039;s easy to be critical from the sidelines and I try to give the benefit of the doubt where possible (especially since I believe JHMR management consists of good people who care about this community), but this is something I&#039;ve felt strongly about for many years: Jackson Hole Mountain Resort is doing themselves a disservice by not spending as much time on community relations right here at home as they spend on press relations with vertical publications, on their brand image and on counting beans. I realize this is a small community for a resort of Jackson Hole&#039;s size and that JHMR cannot rely on us to keep them in the black; it is a business after all. But the citizens of this community could be the Mountain Resort&#039;s best ambassadors if they let us. I&#039;m led to believe by the people I know who work there that JHMR management feels their community relations are positive. And I can see they are making an effort, but the reality is that they continually fall short on nearly every good intention and squander the opportunity to be the hometown hill that all the locals love. Yes, we love that mountain, but for the terrain and snow it provides, not for the way the corporation squeezes every penny out of us to ski there every year and then tells us what a privilege it is to do so.

But back to the point at hand, the stories here, at JHUnderground and at TetonAT continue to prove that information wants to be free. The public wants it and some version of it will get out. JHMR can leverage the community closeness such a crisis provides and be forthright with what they know when they know it or risk the dangers of miss-information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, thanks to you and to Jim for addressing this issue. </p>
<p>The way I see it, the actions of Jackson Hole Mountain Resort management almost always come down to two issues that seem to appear in their eyes to be opposing but really are not: money versus community relations. The resort continually falls short in community relations by putting their bottom line between them and their local guests. From environmental issues to season passes to their relations with Wyoming Travel &amp; Tourism to their handling of information during a crisis such as we have today, JHMR seems to make short-sighted decisions that only further estrange themselves from the Jackson Hole community instead of recognizing that this community is one of the most valuable assets they have.</p>
<p>From a Jackson Hole skier’s and backcountry user&#8217;s perspective, I want as much information as I can get. Specifics about the Headwall and other inbounds slides in particular and the snowpack in general are very valuable to all of us. The resort could reap a lot of good will by sharing that information with their guests. But rather, Mr. Blann, in one of his announcements yesterday, stated that that information is provided by the BTNF Avalanche Forecast Center. However, it seems like even between the Forecast Center and JHMR there is a considerable lack of communication between two entities that inhabit essentially the same space and share some of the same personnel. (Perhaps that information is shared, but we’re not seeing the depth we could in reports from either entity.) Valuable as well are those pictures posted here and on TetonAT for the visual message they send. But to request that they be removed from TetonAT is as much a disservice to the snow sliding public as it is reinforcement of JHMR&#8217;s bad PR image.</p>
<p>No doubt JHMR is in crisis mode. I don’t envy anyone’s position out there and I know that patrol is giving 110% right now. But the most important thing we need during a crisis is information, even if, as Mr. Geraci so astutely put it, the information you have is no information at the time. But as all of us in this field I will broadly describe as communications know, if you don&#8217;t provide a story for the public, they will make one up for you. And never have I seen the public make up a story that is flattering to the squelching body. And no, to answer your question, David, neither of the releases provided yesterday answered questions I have about what happened up there. </p>
<p>Sure, it&#8217;s easy to be critical from the sidelines and I try to give the benefit of the doubt where possible (especially since I believe JHMR management consists of good people who care about this community), but this is something I&#8217;ve felt strongly about for many years: Jackson Hole Mountain Resort is doing themselves a disservice by not spending as much time on community relations right here at home as they spend on press relations with vertical publications, on their brand image and on counting beans. I realize this is a small community for a resort of Jackson Hole&#8217;s size and that JHMR cannot rely on us to keep them in the black; it is a business after all. But the citizens of this community could be the Mountain Resort&#8217;s best ambassadors if they let us. I&#8217;m led to believe by the people I know who work there that JHMR management feels their community relations are positive. And I can see they are making an effort, but the reality is that they continually fall short on nearly every good intention and squander the opportunity to be the hometown hill that all the locals love. Yes, we love that mountain, but for the terrain and snow it provides, not for the way the corporation squeezes every penny out of us to ski there every year and then tells us what a privilege it is to do so.</p>
<p>But back to the point at hand, the stories here, at JHUnderground and at TetonAT continue to prove that information wants to be free. The public wants it and some version of it will get out. JHMR can leverage the community closeness such a crisis provides and be forthright with what they know when they know it or risk the dangers of miss-information.</p>
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